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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.06 01:22:00 -
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Prior to reading this thread, I was checking out another about Botting and RMT. Even though there was good (and plentiful) discussion regarding an issue that the player base is concerned about, the thread got locked by a CCP moderator (Adida).
OK. So you (CCP) have a good chunk of your player base that is pretty worked up over the issue of RMT and Botting and your response is to silence the conversation because "RMT is a EULA violation". What a load of CR**! The discussion itself is not the violation, idiots; it is the botting and RMT. Silencing the conversation makes CCP look either 1) uncaring, 2)complacent, 3)complicit, or 4) like idiots. You pick.
Suppose you will remove this thread because it discusses moderating or some BS like that.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.06 06:41:00 -
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I like the concept of a removed/delayed local. I do, however, wonder how effective it would be in dealing with macros that are configured to read data directly from the client without the use of OCR.
One of the main probs I have with macro/RMT is that everyone sees it going on....and CCP doesn't seem to do anything about it. If the impact on the game was minor, it would be one thing; but when bots are being used to the extent where they can prop up empires...totally different deal. This stuff is,literally, casting a shadow on the legitimacy of null-sec power blocks (whether deserved or not). I would think that alliance leadership types would be concerned about this and police their own.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.10 03:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Originally by: Michwich
Everyones covered.
For starters, have you any idea the load strain that is and would be put on the servers during bot use?
There's an idea. We can all just set a date, much like Hulkageddon, and:
1) each get mining bots set up on as many accounts as each player who give a **** can manage (include trial accounts, as many as you have PC's for)
2) converge on a single Region/constellation/system.
3) turn them loose and beat the hell out of the server; for days or weeks.
Laughable thought, of course; but it would hilarious to see the population in eve hold constant for all hours at about two to three times the record for a week or two. If no action from the developers, make the problem obvious. It would also provide some nice entertainment for the suicide gankers 
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.11 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Do you really want to 1/4 population ( yes that icludes big alliances macro fleets ) of the servers to dissapear . How will taht look for CCP.
Actually, yes. If that 1/4 of the population that you are talking about is macros. How it will look for CCP depends on how they handle the issue. They did a good enough PR job with Unholy Rage that some think it was simply PR; sell this one the same way.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.14 04:06:00 -
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Hey,
Did that dev-blog seem like a pile of non-informative drivel that basically did not say **** about the alleged involvement/entrenchment of certain alliances in botting/RMT to anyone else? I thought this was supposed to an update on CCP efforts on this issue. Demanding a do-over on this.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.18 23:48:00 -
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I had heard that CSM was meeting with CCP and that macroing was an issue that was on the agenda. Does anyone know when this is going to occur or have any links to information on said meeting?
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.21 01:42:00 -
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Concur. Rate can be seen as an aggregate over any time period. For the sort term, bot -vs- human rates are comparable. Over the long haul when you have interuptions for (take your pick); 1) biological functions, 2) family, 3) work, 4) sex (if you are so inclined), the bot will win the race. You see, the bot doesn't care if it is "getting some" ..... or do they?
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.26 15:51:00 -
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Imoa CCP has done a passably good job at building a game that cover a diverse set of game playing "styles". I think that the impact of botters on the game is probably felt less by the really casual explorer-type (as described above). Their impact is felt more as a such a player tries to expand their horizons into other content of the game. A lot of the game (even PvP) is based in economics; when botters are on the board, it make it unrealistic that the honest player will be able to compete.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2010.12.27 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: De Su
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Dienowthxbay
Playing since 2004, i saw a lot, this will probably kill not eve but playerbase :(
Take a look and u will feel being idiots playing RMT + CCP both making money...
Eve-news
info 1
info 2
If people are making 400bil a month like the guy claims in the first link then any sort of economic warfare becomes redundant and the game is simply broken for anyone playing alliances the way it was intended.
Certainly hope that's not true.
Warfare, especially 0.0 warfare involving anyone competent, has always been more about morale than finances anyways. One guy who can afford to lose expensive ship after expensive ship makes less impact than 100 who can fly whatever the standard fleet ship is on a regular basis in any case.
Not strictly a credible argument. Although, I will conceed that good pilots in basic fleet fits are a cornerstone of a quality organization....warfare eventually comes down to economics, logistics, etc. If your 100 guys in regular fleet fits can loose with impunity (ie. ready and unlimited replacements) this is a severe obstacle for an alliance/corp that is not in the "bot-game". It is hard to argue that the ability to replace losses (extending to capitols and supercaps) at will does not represent a dramatic advantage to an alliance or corp.
Basically, the cheater will nearly always win because of pure economic might. RL military history bears this out well. Wars are won by crippling an opponents economic base; it's why factories get bombed....just saying.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2011.01.01 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Dragonmede
Edited by: Lord Dragonmede on 30/12/2010 00:22:25
CCP has responded to this thread, they keep locking similar threads and burying the conversation into this one.
Contain the situation, contain the topic, and pretend it doesn't exist...
This. Seems like this issue is destined to be swept under the rug through neglect.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2011.01.01 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Keta Fraal
Originally by: Musashi IV
CCP its time to get rid of macro users!
Your useless posting on this subject continually serves as an advertisement to new players on the forum.
nothing will come of further discussion on the matter. If you really wanted to make a difference you would petition about suspected macro users.
For the benefit of one that has not read some of the content of this thread; been there, done that. One of the reasons for this thread is that such petitions appear to go nowhere. You can petition macroers until the moons go blue from cold and CCP does not appear to act.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2011.01.01 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: KaraStarbuckThrace
I have to say that 99% of posts on the subject of bots are made by people who have no f**king clue what they are talking about.
If it is so easy then why don't you come up with an effective method of stopping them.....blah, blah, blah....
Changes would have to be made to the client... what changes I don't know.... I have never claimed to know but only that it would be very difficult, a lot more difficult then some people think.
Excellent post. *****es about folks not directly providing solutions (which would be sort of tough, since we don't code the game), then ends up tossing an idea out while admitting he has no idea how to accomplish it.
Many potential idea have been presented here. Some seem pretty reasonable, some not. My suggestion is that if you are going to present an image that you know what you are talking about, at least try harder not to make it obvious that you are a major, clueless tool.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2011.01.02 00:01:00 -
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If you can find a good deal on a simple, logical line of reasoning (like a post holiday sale). I would be more than happy to buy you one.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2011.08.27 00:41:00 -
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Grown tired of counting the number of days for a solid response and the many broken promises (actually just stopped). You remaining players will see the second coming before you get a decent report from CCP on this issue or get them to follow through on promises to revisit dead content, etc.
Later suckers. (Accounts time out in 4 days)
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